amyfortuna: (Aragorn gold glitter)
My dear people, it's nearly that time again!

The schedule for 2017 looks like this:

Nominations Open: Saturday, 15 July 2017, 3:00 PM UTC  Sunday, 16 July 2017, 3:00 PM UTC
Nominations Close: Saturday, 29 July 2017, 3:00 PM UTC  Sunday 30 July 2017, 3:00 UTC
Sign-ups Open: Saturday, 29 July 2017, 11:59 PM UTC  Sunday, 30 July 11:59 PM UTC
Sign-ups Close: Monday, 14 August 2017, 3:00 PM UTC
Assignments Out: Tuesday, 15 August 2017, 3:00 PM UTC
Assignments Due: Sunday, 08 October 2017, 3:00 PM UTC
Works Revealed: Sunday, 15 October 2017, 3:00 PM UTC
Authors Revealed: Sunday, 22 October 2017, 3:00 PM UTC

This time around, I'm going to propose some changes from last year. Let me know what you think!

1. Change from nominating single characters to relationships -- both romantic/sexual (/) and friendship/family/platonic (&).

2. Adding several more fandoms! The fandom list at the moment looks like this:

Born of Hope (2009)
The Fall of Arthur - J. R. R. Tolkien
Farmer Giles of Ham - J.R.R. Tolkien
The Father Christmas Letters - J. R. R. Tolkien
The Hobbit (Jackson Movies)
The Hobbit - J. R. R. Tolkien
The Homecoming of Beorhtnoth Beorhthelm’s Son - J. R. R. Tolkien
The Hunt for Gollum (2009)
Leaf by Niggle - J. R. R. Tolkien
The Legend of Sigurd and Gudrún - J. R. R. Tolkien
The Lord of the Rings (Movies)
The Lord of the Rings - J. R. R. Tolkien
The Lord of the Rings Online
Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor (Video Game)
Mr. Bliss - J. R. R. Tolkien
Roverandom - J. R. R. Tolkien
The Silmarillion and other histories of Middle-Earth - J. R. R. Tolkien
Smith of Wootton Major - J. R. R. Tolkien
The Story of Kullervo - J. R. R. Tolkien

3. I'm considering breaking The Silmarillion up into multiple separate 'fandoms' -- such as The Children of Húrin and Beren and Lúthien. However, this seems really complicated and I'm not sure how to divide it, so any assistance would be really welcomed. Also, if this would encourage people to participate -- I know that a lot of people prefer one part of The Silmarillion over other parts, or only want fanfic about Númenor or something, so if you'd be into that, let me know!

Please comment if you might be participating, even if only to say that you are fine with the changes! I'd really appreciate it, there's nothing worse than feeling like you're talking into the Void with only Morgoth as your audience! :D

ETA: I've had to change the date for opening nominations due to a family emergency. 
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Date/Time: 2017-07-02 13:27 (UTC)Posted by: [personal profile] broadbeam
broadbeam: (Maglor)
Eeeek, yay! All those fandoms! <3

One question: if we wanted to nominate an entire group, like the Fellowship of the Ring or the Istari, can we nominate them like that or do we need to list each name? :) And what if our hearts are set on just an individual character? Can we nominate "Character & none"?

As for dividing the Silm, I'm not entirely sure about the best way of doing it. A person who's mostly interested in creating fanworks about Númenor will likely to get matched to someone who requested Númenor and only focus on that part of their sign up, so I think it'll just work itself out. :) But if you're looking for ideas: recently [community profile] everywoman utilized Canon Helpers as a way for people to specify which version of canon they wanted a character from a megafandom. So you would pick the fandom, pick the character, then pick the canon helper the specify which version of the character you wanted. We could do it that way, although some participants from Everywoman did feel the process was a bit complicated. :)
Date/Time: 2017-07-02 15:58 (UTC)Posted by: [personal profile] broadbeam
broadbeam: (Maglor)
Ah, okay! :) Makes sense, so I'll nominate those groups in an & format!

And yup! :) For the Silmarillion, we had these canon helpers:

The Children of Húrin
The History of Middle-earth
The Silmarillion
Unfinished Tales

I'm interested in this worldbuilding idea very much! :D
Date/Time: 2017-07-02 18:20 (UTC)Posted by: [personal profile] independence1776
independence1776: Drawing of Maglor with a harp on right, words "sing of honor lost" and "Noldolantë" on the left and bottom, respectively (Default)
I'm not sure if I'm going to participate or not yet. That said, I am extremely happy to see reveals on a Sunday because I'm never on the computer Saturday for religious reasons.

1. If at all possible, I would like to have both single character noms and relationship noms. There's some characters I'm happy recieving fic about by themselves and others I want to see interactions with (and overlap between the two groups, of course). The "character & none" would be a good compromise, I think, as long as it was clear "none" isn't a substitute for "any." Which I suppose "character & any" could be another option.

1a. How would nominating an Avarin character best be done? Both "The Avari" and "Avar|Avari" are canonical.

2. The fandoms look great to me.

3. I would not like the Silm to be subdivided. If people nominate based on relationship and/or character, I don't see the point because they'll get matched on that stuff. Also, what if someone hasn't read the expanded books but wants to read or write something with the characters as they are in the Silm?

A thing that isn't related to the above: I don't remember what it was like last year, but would we have to use the piped tags in nominations and the tagset? Because I think they are unreadable and I end up having to copy/paste the tagset into a word processor just so I can strip out the dual names and then decide what I want.
Date/Time: 2017-07-02 18:30 (UTC)Posted by: [personal profile] zdenka
zdenka: A woman touching open books, with loose pages blowing around her (books)
+1 for not liking the piped tags and finding them very hard to read.
Date/Time: 2017-07-03 13:03 (UTC)Posted by: [personal profile] zdenka
zdenka: Beren's hand holding a Silmaril. (silmaril)
I am so happy to hear you say that. :D
Date/Time: 2017-07-03 12:09 (UTC)Posted by: [personal profile] independence1776
independence1776: Drawing of Maglor with a harp on right, words "sing of honor lost" and "Noldolantë" on the left and bottom, respectively (Default)
1. Good. Yay. Um, yeah. You get what I mean.

1a. Works for me!

3. I'm not sure how that would work out, given that most people use HoME stuff in their fics even if it's just a detail or two. Or me, using the round world stuff and ignoring almost everything else. That's especially relevant because Dawn just posted a "who uses what source?" post from her survey data; 73% of Silmficcers use UT/HoME:

ETA: On second thought, go for the UT/HoME separation. 27% is still a significant amount and it's easy enough to say in the letter that HoME material is okay, while allowing Silm-only people a chance to get what they want.

Edited Date/Time: 2017-07-03 12:59 (UTC)
Date/Time: 2017-07-04 00:59 (UTC)Posted by: [personal profile] independence1776
independence1776: Drawing of Maglor with a harp on right, words "sing of honor lost" and "Noldolantë" on the left and bottom, respectively (Default)
I think Crossover Fandom would be a great idea!

I like the new version of nominations-- the group and indivual character. But I have no idea what worldbuilding tags mean; could you please explain?
Date/Time: 2017-07-04 12:18 (UTC)Posted by: [personal profile] independence1776
independence1776: Drawing of Maglor with a harp on right, words "sing of honor lost" and "Noldolantë" on the left and bottom, respectively (Default)
I know what worldbuilding is; I just didn't know what worldbuilding tags are. Over the years, I've learned to not assume the obvious when it comes to fandom terminology and I honestly wasn't sure whether you were using them to designate worldbuilding elements or something else entirely.

Thank you for explaining! That could a lot of fun.
Date/Time: 2017-07-02 18:28 (UTC)Posted by: [personal profile] zdenka
zdenka: Beren's hand holding a Silmaril. (silmaril)
I'm excited for this!

1. I don't personally like the proposed change from single character focused to relationships. There are already more relationship-focused exchanges than I have time to do (including GenEx for & relationships), and for myself, my fandom love is more character focused. I like the flexibility of being able to request a character by himself or gen with family members/friends/enemies or in a ship, because any of those would make me happy. I thought the gen/pairing category tags worked all right last year, though I don't know what it was like from a mod/matching perspective.

2. The new fandoms look good!

3. I don't personally feel the need for it? I found Everywoman's canon helpers more confusing than helpful. I feel like selecting character (or relationships, if you do it that way) already indicates what part of canon you want? And if someone strongly wants something set in a specific place and time, then they can always explain in prompts or optional details. But maybe it's that I have a hard time imagining how it would work -- if there are people who would find a division helpful, I'd be curious to know what kind of requests or offers would be made easier by that. :) Worldbuilding tags sounds like it could open some cool possibilities, though.

Morgoth would be the worst exchange participant. He'd probably send Ungoliant to eat the tag set.
Date/Time: 2017-07-03 18:30 (UTC)Posted by: [personal profile] zdenka
zdenka: Beren's hand holding a Silmaril. (silmaril)
I understand that you're trying to resolve different participants' conflicting wishes, but having 'Character & none' isn't really the same as having character-based matching (if I'm understanding correctly). It's a very awkward phrasing, and it sounds like the writer isn't allowed to include any other characters in the story, which is the opposite of what I want. With character matching, I like being able to include a variety of options/prompts for a character in one request, whether it's a character study, gen relationships, or ships. I like being able to say "something with this character and anyone in her family would make me happy" or "any femslash ship for this character" without being limited to only the specific things that were nominated, or "I like these two characters both as a ship and a gen relationship." There's just a lot more flexibility with character matching, from my perspective.

I like lynndyre's suggestion below of having 'Character' or 'group: Character A & Character B.' If the issue is that people really want to match on specific ships, then you could even put gen vs. ship option in the groups, like 'group: Character A/Character B.' It also avoids the confusing 'Character & none' phrasing.

As I said above, there are so many relationship-based exchanges already, and they have high levels of Tolkien fandom participation. It wouldn't make me not do the exchange, but I'd be a little disappointed if this one switched to relationship matching also.
Date/Time: 2017-07-03 21:48 (UTC)Posted by: [personal profile] zdenka
zdenka: The Doors of Khazad-dum. (tolkien)
Yay, that's great! And I might use some of the relationship/group tags myself, as long as they're there -- I just didn't want to lose the possibility of character matching too.
Date/Time: 2017-07-02 19:40 (UTC)Posted by: [personal profile] benedict
benedict: (The Hobbit)
Do you mean single AND relationships? I'm very in favour of that.
Date/Time: 2017-07-03 11:34 (UTC)Posted by: [personal profile] benedict
benedict: (anne of green gables)
Works for me!
Date/Time: 2017-07-03 04:27 (UTC)Posted by: [personal profile] lynndyre
lynndyre: Fennec fox smile (Default)
I kinda liked being able to request characters, actually.

We could go with using the character field, not the relationship one, and then allowing people to nominate both single characters and "group: Character A & Character B" as well? That would cover the other question about the Fellowship, too, because that can be nominated in the character field as "group: Fellowship of the Ring".

I think the Silmarillion is fine as one canon.
Date/Time: 2017-07-03 14:30 (UTC)Posted by: [personal profile] lynndyre
lynndyre: Fennec fox smile (Default)
Actually, using the character field might help stop relationship noms from defaulting to the horrible piped tags, as well.
Date/Time: 2017-07-04 00:23 (UTC)Posted by: [personal profile] lynndyre
lynndyre: Meracle (Meracle grin)
Yaaaay! I'm glad it works. ^.^

What are the worldbuilding tags going to be?
Date/Time: 2017-07-04 20:40 (UTC)Posted by: [personal profile] maitimiel
I agree with the decisions you guys seem to have made in the comments, and will defnitely be participating!



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